Listen my dudes Ancient Egypt existed for a really fuckass long time. Literally just Pharaonic civilization lasted 3,000 years. That’s not even including predynastic civilization and Roman rule. If you lump that in you’re looking at more like… 5,000 years.
Like. If you want a comparison of how long that is: THE YEAR IS CURRENTLY 2018. TWO THOUSAND. TWO-THIRDS OF ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PHARAONIC CIVILIZATION HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THE ‘BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST’
We comparatively just entered the Third Intermediate Period. The Greeks will not take over for another 700~ years. Cleopatra will not be born until the year 2931.
It’s a really long time guys.
Anyway look. Listen. I sat my ass down and wrote out a timeline of “when shit happened if you started at 1AD” because I know backwards numbers are hard to process but here’s an abridged version.
If the first Egyptian Pharaoh came to power in 1AD then…
300: step pyramid built
450: Great Pyramid at Giza built
815: Pepi II dies and civil war breaks out
950: Egypt re-unified
1350: Middle Kingdom ends
1450: New Kingdom begins
1520: Hatshepsut is on the throne
1650: Ahkenaten switches to monotheistic religion and builds a new city
1680: Tutankhamun dies
1720: Ramesses II ‘the great’ ascends to the throne
1740: World’s first peace treaty signed 1790: Ramesses II dies leaving way too many children
1920: Egypt breaks into 2 states again
And now we get to ~~~~the future~~~~. If we started at 1AD all of this stuff hasn’t happened yet
2050: Briefly re-united as a single state
2180: Civil war 2250: Nubian kings take over
2335: Assyrian conquest
2665: Alexander the Great conquers Egypt
2930: Cleopatra VII born
2970: Cleopatra VII dies. Egypt falls to Rome. Fin.
And that’s just starting with the Pharaohs. If you wanted to start with Predynastic Egypt, you can go ahead and ADD ONE THOUSAND YEARS to all of those dates
I hate that this is still getting notes but that it’s getting notes *without the timeline addition* like c’mon, man. I had to do MATHS for this. I DID MATHS FOR YOU PEOPLE AND ALL I GOT WAS A BUNCH OF RACISTS
Hi yes this is fuckin great 💚 but it’s not early enough (I’m referring to predynastic Egypt with the extra 1000 years here and below, not Pharaonic Egypt, just to be clear). I would like to stress that this is absolutely NOT op’s fault! They did a heckin lot of calculations and research for this! But Egypt is so much older than Egyptologists are willing to accept, and this is backed up by science and geology.
The Sphinx, for example, is AT MINIMUM 10,000+years old. How do we know this, you may ask?
Geology.
The Sphinx has wind erosion, yes, but more significantly it has erosion that only comes from rain. So does the quarry surrounding it.
Think about how long it’s been since the Sahara saw enough rain to erode limestone, a very hardy stone. That kind of rainfall takes thousands of years to create the kind of erosion seem on the Sphinx, and it only comes from rain. It’s vertical erosion. The wind doesn’t blow vertically.
There is also the fact that there’s significant evidence that while, yes, work was absolutely done on the Great Pyramid at Giza in 450 AD of op’s timeline for reference, it was very likely a restoration. There is a platform, like a foundation, that is larger than the base of the pyramid (that the pyramid is sitting on) which is full of exact angles (meaning it was not natural). This stone is much, much older than the outer stone used on the Great Pyramid’s walls, indicating that the Great Pyramid was not the original structure. All three of the pyramids at Giza were also finished in smooth granite during the time of Khufu and his son and grandson. This is significant because granite was used specifically on pieces of stonework that had been restored, to show that work had been done to revive the piece. They wouldn’t have built a brand new pyramids and then covered it in the one stone that signified it had been restored. There’s other evidence that I can’t remember right now because I’m exhausted, but it’s hella interesting.
Bear in mind I’m in no way attempting to discredit op in at all – only pointing out that Egypt’s history is even longer and further back than history teachers would have you believe, because unfortunately most Egyptologists do not take a scientific view of history. They are unfortunately notorious in the scientific community for being difficult to work with (for scientists) because of this. I’m not trying to make them out to be assholes – it’s just that there is a significant difference in approaches because, for the most part, Egyptologists have their backgrounds in art history, literary history, anthropology, etc., rather than geology (for example – geology would be very relevant because stone doesn’t lie about its age or where it’s from).
I could rant more about this, but if anyone is into podcasts I recommend listening to Joe Rogan talking to Dr. Robert Schoch (the guy who made the discovery that the Sphinx is waaaaaaay older than Egyptologists say and has almost had his career ruined for telling the truth), Jonathan Anthony West, Randall Carlson, and Graham Hancock. They really about Egypt as well as human and earth’s history and it’s really fuckin interesting, especially because it’s all science based interpretation of evidence.
Anyway thanks for coming to my unexpected Ted talk
As a Geologist, let me stop you right there. You do realise OP IS AN EGYPTOLOGIST, RIGHT? Anyway.
wind erosion.
I see horizontal striping, that’s quite clearly wind erosion.
In this detail of the head, you can quite clearly see where parts of the headgear have broken off due to obvious wind erosion to the part below. The head itself however is mostly intact. Apparently it’s either too high up to be damaged, or not as easy to damage. Sand does that, water? No.
I’m not seeing any kind of excessive water damage. And by the way, to rock standards limestone is hella easy to erode. It dissolves in water.
don’t leave your limestone out in the rain, folks.
Foundation? Excact angles? first of all, sources. Second of all:
exact angles(I assume you meant “straight lines and right angles”) aren’t unheard of in nature either.
“Granite was specifically used on pieces that were restored.” Now, I’m not an egyptologist, so I don’t know for certain. But I’m pretty sure I can say that the egyptians did not in fact reserve one specific kind of rock for restorations only. And I’m certain that granite was more expensive than limestone at the time, as well as better looking. (hence why all of it has been removed from the pyramids since.) Your point here is invalid.
You are no Geologist, nor are you an Egyptologist. You know almost nothing about what we do and how we work, so much is clear from your post, yet you think you are enough of an authority to accurately address the state of knowledge in both fields?! How about you stop talking like an authority about scientific disciplines you know absolutely fuck-all about?!
@somecunttookmyurl just to verify with an actual EGYPTOLOGIST, because it’s quite clearly more within their territory than in mine:
Did the egyptians use a special kind of stone in restoration work?
Also, great work on your timeline!
I’m gonna level with you chief, building techniques aren’t really my area so I can’t give you any wonderful in depth stuff here (talk to me about mythology) but… no.
For the most part they just used the stone that was used before, like restoring granite with granite but they didn’t only use granite for restoration and putting a granite casing on other things or using mixed stone *at time of construction* is also not like… weird.
They did use mortar, the composition of which may have changed over time, but again not my area and like… right now? I’m not wild about researching it.
But short answer no, they didn’t have special restoring stones.
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How to know a Tumblr Hot Take (About the Age of the Sphinx) is full of shit, a checklist:
☑ There are no reliable sources anywhere
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“Egyptologists are unwilling to accept [x]”
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There is mention of “the truth”
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The writer of said Hot Take is not an expert; they only rehash something they read or heard
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Shittalking experts from a field famous for catering to a thousand different areas of expertise, including geology, as not being scientific
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A geologist comes in to tear you and your pseudo-science a new one
“Egyptologists do not take a scientific view of history” is factually incorrect and I’m gonna need you to apologise to all the archaeologists in Egyptology with strong science backgrounds and current science disciplines like geology and archaeobotany. I’m sure they’re super glad to know that they don’t exist.
List of things Egyptologists I know specialise in and have science backgrounds for:
Botany – analysis of plants used in cooking (from charred remains at oven sites) and also flower garlands and looking at stomach contents for last meals.
Geology – seriously we have our own geologists who can tell how stone has been worked and whether it’s by human hands or natural elements. Also stone tool analysis for stuff like denticulation.
Glasswork- makes her own glass beads in the Egyptian style and techniques to see how they did it using glass cores.
Mummification – analysis of core components used during the mummification process and how these recipes change over time.
Paint analysis
Composite metal analysis
Weaponry analysis on the construction of composite bows made from Ibex horns
Pottery analysis – how pottery changed over time
Literally someone who specialises in teeth
And these are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head. Sure, I’m a linguist. I choose to be because I’m not a fan of me doing scientific analysis and would rather leave that to others in my discipline but that doesn’t mean I don’t know any scientific theory. We’re literally taught it as part of our undergraduate before we specialise in a chosen area.
That guy nearly lost his career for good reason. He failed to take into account that Egyptology has specialists in both geology and Egyptian culture, dismissed any historical/archaeological evidence of the area that already existed, and failed to fit his theory within the Egyptian cultural history and narrative.
Let’s just sum this up with: If both Egyptologists and Geologists can produce lists of over 60+ factors you failed to take into account while producing your theory then
Is it true that the noses were knocked off because they wanted to hide that these people were black and had African features, such as a wider nose? And that the hair no one can really tell what it is on the first glance, is African/Egyptian textured hair? I wanted to fact check, but loads of the noses are knocked off and I read that. Egyptologists are trustworthy on this issue.
No.
1) Most statues still have their noses (so no, not “loads” of the noses have been knocked off we just really have a lot of statues) even most statues discovered in the time period when we were especially racist so that doesn’t hold up even for 5 seconds because they were, what, only racist towards the occasional Egyptian? Fuck that guy in particular?
2) Both paintings and statues are representations of the self in that they LITERALLY ARE YOU and how you manage to have a form in the afterlife. Statues and paintings are how you, in the afterlife, manage to continue breathing and also eating (in this instance food is absorbed by your afterlife-self through the nose/smell since your mouth is shut). Guess what happens to your afterlife self when your real-world self can’t eat or breathe. Yeah. Sometimes you just REALLY hate a person. Like REALLY hate them.
3) Like it or not noses are a protruding feature and if you fall forwards flat on your face you tend to break it. This applies to both humans and also statues. I do not recommend falling flat on to your face in order to test this theory on yourself it will hurt.
(also WRT the hair we *know* that they shaved their heads and the richer people wore wigs because we not only have *actual wigs* but also texts about *how to make wigs*)
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